I also believe there is a spiritual component that these types of conversations ignore. From a spiritual perspective, every human that is on this planet is here at this time for a reason. It seems that many are here at this time to help shift the paradigm toward one of individual sovereignty and sustainability.
Excellent video! Sustainable lifestyle (growing food) is extremely important for the future.
The current population may not be a "problem", but I firmly believe that the Earth can not sustain an infinitely growing population. Sooner or later we need to stabilize or shrink the population.
Yes, big conversation! I'm not sure what my "reason" for being here is. I'm trying to give my life purpose and find some reasons. Hopefully I'm making the world a better place. But there are definitely a number or people (Flip Flop Fauci) that come to mind who are definitely *not* making the world a better place.
To be fair, we’re also not looking at the climate issues with love. If we loved our planet, we’d take care of her. But instead,Ike a petulant teenager full of angst, we take advantage of her and her offerings, think of her creatures and terrain as utility instead of a constant co-creative balance and aliveness.
... and unfortunately (hi Visc) many of us are merely 'human resources' to the others. But I'm going to point out that strong bodies that wear out after forty or so years and don't demand care in their old age may sound hideous but this was pretty much how mankind lived for most of the existence of our species.
Like it or not, when the 'stuff' runs out many people will probably go back to the nasty, brutish, and short paradigm. Live long enough to mature, reproduce, raise your offspring to the point that their chances of survival are good, then your job is done. Harsh, especially coming from someone the far side of sixty, but short of an aggressive cull I see no real alternative. Note that I have not once, until now, mentioned MRNA 'vaccines'....
Ah, the experimental shots. {sigh} That brings us to the topic of whether or not our tyrant rulers are intentionally trying to get rid of older people.
As an "older" person, I have to throw in a pitch for the benefit to society of having some of us around that have a lot of experience to share and teach the younger generations.
Happy to metaphorically huddle along with you, budge up a bit John ;-)
In the aggregate I have a lot of hope for the coming generations. They may not be as bamboozled by their 'phones as the powers-that-shouldn't-be believe, merely waiting their turn and keeping amused in the meantime. (Of course there are plentiful examples of quasi-zombies in those generations, as in ours.)
At some level I believe that those of us who just won't do as we are told (such as accepting a needle in our upper arm) have much to offer to the more obedient. But one has to wait until asked. Watching the young 'uns make the same mistakes we made (and some extra, to mangle Philip Larkin) is painful but it's a good lesson in non-interference. And it's interference, the insistence that "we" (the exceptional ones) are right, that has us staring into the abyss. Each of us only owns one thing and that is our karma. And that's the only thing I really know. People who "know" are dangerous fools, so sad that they currently operate all the levers.
I have to bring up the fact that the lack of appreciation for the older generation is a very Western phenomena. In my native culture, parents and grandparents live with the family until they die. Not only do we seek their advice, but they still find utilitarian uses within the family structure. When I was in Mexico, I found this cultural strength in the family unit present there too. I find it extremely weird that in America we tell our kids to get out at 18 and throw our leaders in nursing homes where they can no longer drive.
In my house, I live with my partner, our three kids, and my mum. My mum was the first to call out the poison jabs. Her tinfoil hat was invaluable in my understanding of the world. she is also an amzing cook. And even if she didnt have those qualities, I would still not suggest she lives anywhere else. I love her.
This is a very important cultural difference! I was raised very "American": "Independent".
Visiting other cultures (and studying them a bit) has been very fascinating to me. It seems like this "family unit" concept has great value, but it has been largely shunned in the USA. I do believe that immigrants brought it with them, but that in most cases it has faded. Especially in a family like mine which has been here since the early 1600s.
This is something I've discussed with my daughter a few times to try and reverse this. We have good acknowledgement of the value of the family, but alas I raised her very independent too! Building a multi generational family is something that I've failed at. So I'll do the USA method: pile up lots of wealth and pass it onto them (after the government takes it's cut). {sigh} {sad}
In the meantime, I hope to grow my Substack family and do my best to be a wise elder encouraging others to *THINK*. I'm not going to try and teach sub-atomic nuclear physics, teaching "facts" is nowhere near as valuable as teaching / encouraging "critical thinking".
It's hard to predict where the balance will tip for the future. Exploiting technology, the tyrants have caused great harm to our society. But there are young people who have recognized this and taken steps like shutting down their Facebook accounts.
More and more books are written on the research being conducted about the influence of various things. Will this awareness become widespread? It sure seems like the majority right now trust "authorities" and blindly go through life glued to their phones and TVs.
Has the "Age of Reason" passed? Are we now in the "Age of Apathy/Ignorance/Obedience"?
We've developed a "throw away" society. Rather than looking at resources as limited and considering how we might recycle / repair them, we just take the cheaper route and mine more / buy new. Eventually it will be cheaper to recycle. Will we survive to that point? Will quality of life be decent when we reach that point? Or will masses of humanity be nothing more than slaves serving others?
It's quite possible. We are wrestling with resolving transitioning from "national" oriented to "global" oriented. Companies operate across national borders. Governments are very entangled. We don't know if the future (or when) will bring "borderless" travel.
We may have a "slave" society which can't really travel and basically spend their lives working, co-existing with a more "elite" society that travels freely. This confuses the nature of debates because when you talk about people it depends on which people you are talking about.
Yes, exactly. Also, the two tiers might be split long the line of those who prefer holistic treatments and live close to nature and those who like daddy government stuffing them in 15 min cities where they eat bugs and have social credit scores.
I don't think the population is the problem. The way we are doing things is.
This video on farming is a must see in my opinion.
https://youtu.be/sRPP4Ilpxso?si=M70mimM9vj-_8dm5
I also believe there is a spiritual component that these types of conversations ignore. From a spiritual perspective, every human that is on this planet is here at this time for a reason. It seems that many are here at this time to help shift the paradigm toward one of individual sovereignty and sustainability.
It's a big conversation.
Excellent video! Sustainable lifestyle (growing food) is extremely important for the future.
The current population may not be a "problem", but I firmly believe that the Earth can not sustain an infinitely growing population. Sooner or later we need to stabilize or shrink the population.
Yes, big conversation! I'm not sure what my "reason" for being here is. I'm trying to give my life purpose and find some reasons. Hopefully I'm making the world a better place. But there are definitely a number or people (Flip Flop Fauci) that come to mind who are definitely *not* making the world a better place.
To be fair, we’re also not looking at the climate issues with love. If we loved our planet, we’d take care of her. But instead,Ike a petulant teenager full of angst, we take advantage of her and her offerings, think of her creatures and terrain as utility instead of a constant co-creative balance and aliveness.
... and unfortunately (hi Visc) many of us are merely 'human resources' to the others. But I'm going to point out that strong bodies that wear out after forty or so years and don't demand care in their old age may sound hideous but this was pretty much how mankind lived for most of the existence of our species.
Like it or not, when the 'stuff' runs out many people will probably go back to the nasty, brutish, and short paradigm. Live long enough to mature, reproduce, raise your offspring to the point that their chances of survival are good, then your job is done. Harsh, especially coming from someone the far side of sixty, but short of an aggressive cull I see no real alternative. Note that I have not once, until now, mentioned MRNA 'vaccines'....
Ah, the experimental shots. {sigh} That brings us to the topic of whether or not our tyrant rulers are intentionally trying to get rid of older people.
As an "older" person, I have to throw in a pitch for the benefit to society of having some of us around that have a lot of experience to share and teach the younger generations.
Happy to metaphorically huddle along with you, budge up a bit John ;-)
In the aggregate I have a lot of hope for the coming generations. They may not be as bamboozled by their 'phones as the powers-that-shouldn't-be believe, merely waiting their turn and keeping amused in the meantime. (Of course there are plentiful examples of quasi-zombies in those generations, as in ours.)
At some level I believe that those of us who just won't do as we are told (such as accepting a needle in our upper arm) have much to offer to the more obedient. But one has to wait until asked. Watching the young 'uns make the same mistakes we made (and some extra, to mangle Philip Larkin) is painful but it's a good lesson in non-interference. And it's interference, the insistence that "we" (the exceptional ones) are right, that has us staring into the abyss. Each of us only owns one thing and that is our karma. And that's the only thing I really know. People who "know" are dangerous fools, so sad that they currently operate all the levers.
I have to bring up the fact that the lack of appreciation for the older generation is a very Western phenomena. In my native culture, parents and grandparents live with the family until they die. Not only do we seek their advice, but they still find utilitarian uses within the family structure. When I was in Mexico, I found this cultural strength in the family unit present there too. I find it extremely weird that in America we tell our kids to get out at 18 and throw our leaders in nursing homes where they can no longer drive.
In my house, I live with my partner, our three kids, and my mum. My mum was the first to call out the poison jabs. Her tinfoil hat was invaluable in my understanding of the world. she is also an amzing cook. And even if she didnt have those qualities, I would still not suggest she lives anywhere else. I love her.
This is a very important cultural difference! I was raised very "American": "Independent".
Visiting other cultures (and studying them a bit) has been very fascinating to me. It seems like this "family unit" concept has great value, but it has been largely shunned in the USA. I do believe that immigrants brought it with them, but that in most cases it has faded. Especially in a family like mine which has been here since the early 1600s.
This is something I've discussed with my daughter a few times to try and reverse this. We have good acknowledgement of the value of the family, but alas I raised her very independent too! Building a multi generational family is something that I've failed at. So I'll do the USA method: pile up lots of wealth and pass it onto them (after the government takes it's cut). {sigh} {sad}
In the meantime, I hope to grow my Substack family and do my best to be a wise elder encouraging others to *THINK*. I'm not going to try and teach sub-atomic nuclear physics, teaching "facts" is nowhere near as valuable as teaching / encouraging "critical thinking".
It's hard to predict where the balance will tip for the future. Exploiting technology, the tyrants have caused great harm to our society. But there are young people who have recognized this and taken steps like shutting down their Facebook accounts.
More and more books are written on the research being conducted about the influence of various things. Will this awareness become widespread? It sure seems like the majority right now trust "authorities" and blindly go through life glued to their phones and TVs.
Has the "Age of Reason" passed? Are we now in the "Age of Apathy/Ignorance/Obedience"?
We've developed a "throw away" society. Rather than looking at resources as limited and considering how we might recycle / repair them, we just take the cheaper route and mine more / buy new. Eventually it will be cheaper to recycle. Will we survive to that point? Will quality of life be decent when we reach that point? Or will masses of humanity be nothing more than slaves serving others?
It’s possible that we break into a two tiered society. 🤷♀️
It's quite possible. We are wrestling with resolving transitioning from "national" oriented to "global" oriented. Companies operate across national borders. Governments are very entangled. We don't know if the future (or when) will bring "borderless" travel.
We may have a "slave" society which can't really travel and basically spend their lives working, co-existing with a more "elite" society that travels freely. This confuses the nature of debates because when you talk about people it depends on which people you are talking about.
Yes, exactly. Also, the two tiers might be split long the line of those who prefer holistic treatments and live close to nature and those who like daddy government stuffing them in 15 min cities where they eat bugs and have social credit scores.
As I see it, the split is primarily between:
a) Those who prefer to take responsibility for themselves.
and
b) Those who want the government / authorities to take care of them. (prefer to remain as "children" for their entire lives)
Lol. Exactly.