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Susanne's avatar

You won’t find me ever going for gimmicks, low fat, reduced fat or any other weight loss silliness. I believe in eating whole foods....period!!!! Organic as much as possible. As few chemicals as possible!!!! Always have! Yes, I have my few indulgences, but oh well! When it’s hard to eat one does what they can.

Yes, I will admit, though, that I need to move more!!!! We all have things we’d like to do better or work on or whatever.

Yes, I need the iodine. No thyroid and no blood that picks up iron. So yes, it’s important. But, I’m not consistent with anything. That’s why I want to try the Cardio Miracle stuff. Because it’s in a powered form and it has no chemicals and crap. It’s made by supposedly good reputable scientists. I don’t need to make a smoothie or a jump through any other hoops every day. I want to see if it will help me want to be more consistent when it comes to supplements.

I’ll get the link to the website for you to check them out. I’d love to hear your opinion. People that have been honest over the last five years, talked about no jabs, shared what’s really going on with new order agendas, etc... have said it’s worked for them. But, I learned a LONG time ago not all good things are good for all people. So I’m more curious than anything else. If it works great if not great.....at least I tried it for myself is my attitude.

Here’s the site: https://cardiomiracle.com/

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John Wright's avatar

Commentary on Cardio Miracle - It's expensive. I like their website. Very weak dosages of nutrients. Infinitely better than nothing! Bad on Vitamin E (only alpha tocopherol). Limited information: No clarification of the form of Vitamin A, no clarification of the form of B6, nor Folate. Zinc is pathetic (oxide and only 5 mg total).

The real benefit from this appears to be the "blends" and not the "supplements".

This is another one of those products that appears to be very good but also very expensive (and the cost doesn't justify the benefit due to the low dosages). But like I said, far better than doing nothing.

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Susanne's avatar

Good! We agree on something! That’s another reason why I’ve been hesitant. Because I read the ingredient list just like you did. Then besides an individual’s needs, the physiology of men and women is different. As I mentioned earlier, besides the price, that’s why hearing only men talk about it and really endorse it has also made me sit back, watch and listen more. Just in order to see if I hear about more endorsements and information from other people, especially, women.

But, at this point, I still think I’m going to try it. I’m curious most of all!!! My body, in general, could use the extra good nutrients. Vitamins and minerals unless they’re super tiny aren’t worth the trouble. Making smoothies or juicing celery juice and other fruits and/or vegetables on a daily basis is too much of a pain in the ass when living alone. I won’t stick with it. Because it’s not like I can walk down the street or ride a bike to a farmers market.

The nearest real grocery story is at least 20 miles away and the Safeway is about the size of a grocery store in the 60’s or possibly early 70’s. Trying to find much, if anything, organic is a miracle. Don’t even ask about the prices. Getting stuff sent on a weekly basis from Misfits Foods is great......but, you never know exactly the quality of the food or how well they’ve packed it. Great to do at times, but not every week.

Not justifying or bitching! Just attempting to explain the logic behind my decision and that I know myself well enough to recognize my own shortcomings.

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John Wright's avatar

Unfortunately, a major drawback of not living near a major city seems to be a serious lack of grocery stores with decent food. I'm relying more on shipped in food now. That is expensive but worth it for me.

Like you, I know my own shortcomings, so while my diet isn't perfect I do compensate a little with some pills that otherwise are somewhat silly.

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Susanne's avatar

The orange juice scenario was from some book I read in the early to mid 90’s, I believe. I just always remembered it because of the big deal about milk and calcium and the “Got Milk” add campaign. Thank goodness cheese is the highest because out of all three it’s the only one I eat!

Although, eating is Not in my top 1,000 favorite things to do these days. I consider myself more the entertainment at the dinner table than anything else. Therefore, I’m out on the food database too. At one time, I was more active on knowing most of the details on foods and drinks. Not anymore....if I can eat something without it choking me to death, it doesn’t have even three flecks of pepper or is spicy in any way and it tastes half way decent well then hey, it’s a winner to me. An honest straightforward food database is a really good idea. You build it, I’ll share it and hopefully the people will come.

Yes, B12 is another important one and I tend to like copper too. No, not too much.

It’s no surprise that many from younger generations aren’t in the best of health. Gaming online, sitting around and being on a phone or computer became a cultural norm for quite a while. Again, something planned to get rid of more of the population. I know given where I live the computer and phone have been my own window to the outside world. So I’m guilty of sitting around too much, as well.

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It's quite possible that the book you read in the 90s was based on fortified orange juice. Far too many of our research studies, books and magazine articles fail to dig into critical details.

I was raised on milk. So until I hit my forties, I was pretty much at least three glasses of milk a day. As far as I know, I had no ill effects from it. Also no ill effects from stopping drinking it!

Whatever nutrient you are most deficient in is the nutrient most beneficial to supplement. {grin} Old advice, but true. So it's easy to get into more and more like iodine and copper. The supplements you DON'T need are the "miracle weight loss" supplements and such. Those are just a waste of money!

Sitting has been a health problem for quite a while now. Take my father for example, one of the first computer programmers (thus desk job), lower back troubles for most of his adult life. That taught me the benefit of getting up out of my chair and moving. So sure, I sit all day, but I also take breaks and exercise!

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Susanne's avatar

Jumping up and down in one place for a few minutes a day will strengthen bones better than milk ever will. I read years ago how it’s best to look at nature when it comes to milk. Only very young animals need their mother’s milk. It’s the same with humans......even for some of us were Similac babies.

I rarely ever drank the milk even as a kid. I never liked it. In fact, I only drank a tiny bit if I ate something really sweet like a homemade brownie with frosting or a few homemade chocolate chip cookies. Other than that, I put it in the only plain cereals I had around as a kid......Raisin Bran, Cheerios or Grape-Nuts and that’s about it.

You are correct. The whole calcium racket....is just that a racket. It has been said one could get more calcium from a glass of orange juice than milk any day of the week. I’ve never looked for an exact study so I can’t substantiate that as a fact. I’m like you, though, I’ve never bought into the whole calcium hubbub regardless. I’ve never taken it as a supplement or even thought about it.

I also agree with you and Chad in regards to the sun. I read not too long ago how even sitting in the sun for at least ten to fifteen minutes a day with the eyes closed and no sunglasses can help heal our eyes a great deal, as well. Especially, since I, for one, look at electronic screens way too much. Damn kindle!🤣

Personally, I believe vitamins D3 and K2/MK7 are probably two of the most important supplements people can take for overall health.....period! Yes, vitamin C is important too! I’ve just never found the right fit on that one. The pills are too hard for me to swallow, the powders that can be mixed with water are too sour and gummies have so little C and so much sugar.

Speaking of supplements I may have found the answers to my prayers. It’s in powered form. I just haven’t tried it quite yet. So we’ll see..... If it turns out to be a good I’ll let you know. It’s filled with all the keys nutrients like vitamins D3, K2, C, along with magnesium, nitric oxide, zinc, etc... and has no sugar. I’ve heard from men older than myself that have said they’re in the best shape of their lives. They can run circles around men half their age in playing games like basketball. G. Edward Griffin, who’s in his 90’s, strongly endorses it, as well. But, to be honest, that’s why I haven’t tried it quite yet. It’s a bit expensive and I’ve heard about the health and vitality from quite a few men, and no women as of yet. Although, it’s said to benefit both men and women substantially. So, again, we’ll see....

Great article or post! Thank You!!!!

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John Wright's avatar

Out of curiosity, I looked up milk and orange juice. Milk has ten times as much calcium as orange juice. Fortified orange juice is sold which has just as much calcium as milk. Cheese is overall at the top for calcium. It's a shame the old databases aren't still working. It's hard to look things up now. If someone knows a good food database that is easy to work with let me know. I'm tempted to write my own software since the old good websites have vanished.

Jumping up and down is a good suggestion!

Oh, it's a challenge to pick "most important supplements". I factor in cost so Vitamin C, D, K2, B12 (for many people), Magnesium and Zinc - those are the obvious ones off the top of my head. Definitely let me know if you've found a supplement you really like.

One thing that has surprised me to a certain extent is how poor of shape many of our younger people are. In my 50s and 60s I shouldn't be running circles around people in their 20s. It's nuts!

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chad's avatar

I wonder if the study was based on processed milk or raw milk. There is definitely a huge difference between healthy, raw milk from organically-raised grass-fed A2 cows (Jersey, Ayershire, etc) and typical grocery store milk. Two other factors that help:

1) Get some sun! Yes, sun. Contrary to the lies you've been fed about skin cancer, sun exposure is necessary to good health. Our primary source of vitamin D is from sunlight - our bodies produce it in response to exposure. If you're worried, just get 5 - 15 minutes per day, preferably between 11am and 1pm (really kinda depends on time of year because of daylight savings, but the angle of the rays has an effect on which UV rays are getting through the atmosphere), and D is beneficial for calcium absorption.

2) This was mentioned by way of a passing note, but participate in weight-bearing strength training. Studies have shown resistance training to make bones stronger and help reduce the chances of osteopenia and osteoporosis.

Just a couple of tips, if anyone cares to listen.

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John Wright's avatar

Even though the study was in Sweden, my guess is that it was on processed milk. But maybe they have more raw milk in Sweden than we have here? So maybe a few people were drinking raw milk. This is one of my key issues with all these studies and warnings. Critical details are left out, most commonly was it the natural form of the food or modern society's unhealthy version?

Yes! Sun, sun, sun! Very healthy.

Hopefully I made it clear enough how important strength training is for having good solid, strong bones to last a lifetime. Even if you are 70, it's still good to build muscle and put strain on bones! Not too much, not too little.

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