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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION . . . Protocol X – Preparing for Power . . . (((SARS-CoV2)))

❝. . . utterly exhaust humanity with dissention, hatred, struggle, envy and even by the use of torture, by starvation, by the inoculation of diseases. by want, so that the “Goyim” see no other issue than to take refuge in our complete sovereignty in money and in all else.❞

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/protocol-x-preparing-for-power-sars

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chad's avatar

"The US government funds a lot of things: the military, healthcare, education, etc. Unlike a young adult though, the government has a large budget and should not need to trade long term wealth for short term benefits."

So, the question this begs is, what of the things that the U.S. Government funds are actually within the scope of its authority and responsibility as defined by the U.S. Constitution? I can tell you that healthcare and education are not, nor is "the military" as we now know it. Unfortunately, far too few Americans know and understand this, which is why there is a constant cry for the government to do *more* rather than less.

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John Wright's avatar

Yes, almost nobody has studied the constitution and understands the intended role of the USA government.

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

The United States government is has become a wholly owned subsidiary of the American Israeli Political Action Committee . . .

Volodymyr Zelensky is an Israeli operative, the Ukrainian parliament is full of Jewish apparatchiks.

Ukraine’s Azov Regiment Visits Israel: ‘Mariupol is our Masada’ . . . https://nationalvanguard.org/2022/12/ukraines-azov-regiment-visits-israel-mariupol-is-our-masada/

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Ekoh's avatar

I agree. Usury is inherently problematic because more money has to be repaid than exists, thereby setting up a system that can only end with fabricating money out of thin air, or something doesn’t get paid. It’s essentially a pyramid scheme where whoever is at the top gets all the loot. Don’t pay your debt, and they take your collateral.

Usury is essentially a something for nothing scheme. You pledge collateral and the lender sets the terms. Eventually, there is a downturn in the economy, always rigged by the money lenders, and the result is a gigantic transference of wealth when the debtors cannot repay the debts.

Pay cash. The usury system periodically creates these transference of wealth schemes, yet people never understand how it works. The biggest ones happen about every fourth generation, long enough for most people to think it won’t happen again.

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John Wright's avatar

Often the term usury is used to imply "high interest". I think you are using it with the meaning of simply any amount of interest.

Yes, a major problem is that these long cycles happen longer than people remember / experience so it comes as a shock when the system adjusts again.

There are a lot of systems in place for defaulting on debts and this very much depends on the type of debt. In the USA, you can declare bankruptcy on debts like credit card debt and essentially it is the lender that gets screwed (however in the meantime they've made a lot of money so they don't mind and like insurance they can tolerate a few losses as long as the overall game favors them). Luckily we no longer have "debtors prison"... or maybe we should bring it back so people would be very careful to avoid not being able to repay a debt (can you send the government to prison?).

What most people don't realize is that sometimes these bailouts (which has happened a lot in the past twenty years) are in a form that essentially creates inflation, thus wiping out the savings of the common person and making the lower wage earners struggle even more.

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John Wright's avatar

They have an interesting database of documents.

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Ekoh's avatar

Usury has multiple meanings. It is an age-old practice of lending money, and the end result is that the bankers are the biggest winners. They are the ones who create inflation, recessions, and depressions. In the end, the bankers end up with a disproportionate share of the wealth. They control the terms, therefore they control the wealth.

Yes, there are some measures to help people, such as bankruptcy, and that can literally save lives when the stress of debt becomes too intense.

I am not in favor of debtors prisons. There is always a risk of nonpayment when lending money, so lenders need to be vigilant about who they are lending to. It’s a risk of doing business.

Lenders made plenty of liars loans pre-2008 to hook many people into buying properties they could not possibly afford, particularly under the terms. Allowing people to borrow using adjustable rate mortgages was intentionally done to acquire more properties for the banks and their shareholders such as Blackrock, Vanguard, and Statestreet. They knew they would raise the interest rates in the near future, allowing them to own the properties. They controlled the terms—they acquired the properties.

I am not aware of bailouts being used in the past other than that in, I think, 2008.

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John Wright's avatar

The USA has a long history of bailouts going back to 1792.

Some modern ones:

Penn Central Railroad - $3.2 billion in 1970

Lockheed - $1.4 billion in 1971

Franklin National Bank - $7.8 billion in 1974

New York City - $9.4 billion in 1975

Chrysler - $4 billion in 1980

Continental Illinois National Bank - $9.5 billion in 1984

Multiple Savings & Loan institutions - $293.3 billion in 1989

The Airline Industry - $18.6 billion in 2001

Does that paint a picture?

Where is *my* bailout? We live in a weird financial world where the typical person has the deck stacked against them. We slave away to "get ahead" but most of our work is simply making the wealthy and more "wealthy". But all that wealth is a lot of funny numbers. A "house of cards" mess just waiting for the next problem.

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION . . . Protocols of Zion: Protocol II – Economic Wars

❝The administrators, whom we shall choose from among the public, with strict regard to their capacities for servile obedience, will not be persons trained in the arts of government, and will therefore easily become pawns in our game in the hands of men of learning and genius who will be their advisers, specialists bred and reared from early childhood to rule the affairs of the whole world.❞

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/protocols-of-zion-protocol-ii-economic

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Visceral Adventure's avatar

We just need entirely new monetary policies. It’s why bitcoin excites me. I like it’s deflationary quality. And the fact that there’s only 21m BTC. There will never be more printed. We need to stop this money being created out of thin air business.

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John Wright's avatar

Yes, I'm 100% against creating "money out of thin air". I'm not sold on cryptocurrency (I see a lot of issues with it). We need some major attitude shifts. People want the government to give them benefits but fail to understand that they pay for all those benefits and the wealthy get more wealthy by lending money for excess government spending.

Partly it's like buying a new car on credit without giving thought to the future cost of financing the purchase of that new car. Give me, give me, give me, but I don't want to pay for it (yet in reality you are paying for it, most people just don't realize it).

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

Zelensky, Biden, Satanism, War, Greed, Theft, Propaganda, Domestic Spying, International Intrigue, Treason, Sedition, FTX, Ukraine, Israel . . .

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/zelensky-biden-satanism-war-greed

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Visceral Adventure's avatar

Isn’t this largely a problem in America? I don’t know if other countries lend out as easily as it’s done in the States. And some places don’t really do it for assets. But more so for an activity that would help the economy like a business that will create jobs.

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chad's avatar

Unfortunately, the U.S. doesn't so much *lend* as it does *give* - and this is far outside the scope of what the Constitution permits. The U.S. Government is *not* intended to be a charity organization, no matter how necessary and/or humanitarian the cause may seem.

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

Zelensky, Biden, Satanism, War, Greed, Theft, Propaganda, Domestic Spying, International Intrigue, Treason, Sedition, FTX . . .

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/zelensky-biden-satanism-war-greed

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Visceral Adventure's avatar

It doesn’t lend? You mean it gives money without expecting it back? Like, to Ukraine? What do you mean?

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John Wright's avatar

"On Monday, the US State Department announced a low-interest $2 billion direct loan agreement to help Poland modernize its defense program. It’s the first time the US has offered a direct defense loan in years."

This statement implies that the USA does indeed "loan" (at least sometimes). I'm sure there are interesting nuances if you dig deeper. Is this money simply being "spent" on USA defense contractors supplying equipment? (basically we'd be paying ourselves) Is the "low interest" rate below the rate of inflation? (in other words how "profitable" is the loan?)

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John Wright's avatar

And yes, USA companies are profiting from the loan: "Much of the $2 billion loan is already set to flow back into the US. Poland has already placed orders for weapons and other systems with US defense companies, according to the State Department, as well as orders with some South Korean defense companies, the AP reported."

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John Wright's avatar

Further: "In addition to the $2 billion loan, the US government is sending up to $60 million in grant funds as a loan subsidy. The US government typically awards foreign military financing in the form of grants, not loans." - thus giving away money is more typical and in this case the USA is doing BOTH loaning and giving.

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John Wright's avatar

My take on Ukraine is that it's a "proxy war". We pay and supply them so they will fight our "enemy". The news has mentioned a lot of "kickbacks" too. There is certainly a profit motive for the war industry.

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

Jewish Corruption in Ukraine . . . by Andrew Joyce, Ph.D.

❝. . . the present conflict is a huge distraction from the fact that, for decades, the biggest threat to Ukraine hasn’t been Russia, but financiers and speculators operating with impunity within Ukraine’s borders to exploit ethnic Ukrainians and plunder their resources.❞

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2023/02/17/jewish-corruption-in-ukraine/

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chad's avatar

Here, take a look and tell me where such authority comes:

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8

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John Wright's avatar

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say the USA has a responsibility or authority to "spread democracy". The USA was supposed to stay un-entangled with foreign issues, not to become the "world's policeman".

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chad's avatar

Precisely. You think the money and munitions we've given to Ukraine are on loan? Do you really think we'll ever see anything back from that? No. We give money away, then we borrow from others (or sometimes from countries to whom we've given). And the government has no constitutional authority whatsoever to be giving that money, or even loaning it. The Constitution gives Congress authority to *borrow* on the credit of the United States, but where does it say anything about *giving* or *lending*? Nowhere.

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION . . . Protocol No. 7 – World-Wide Wars

❝We must be in a position to respond to every act of opposition by war with the neighbors of that country which dares to oppose us: but if these neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must offer resistance by a universal war.❞

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/protocol-no-7-world-wide-wars

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John Wright's avatar

Yes! And this is one reason that has been used to explain the phenomenal economic success of the USA. We make it (relatively) easy for people to try and fail and try again.

In the USA, defaulting on a debt (as I understand it) is trivial compared to in other countries. What comes to mind is when the USA was colonized "debtors prison" was a real thing in England (I'm not sure if it still is).

The Central Banks "printing money out of thin air" is a slightly different topic. My guess is that the USA can get away with this because we are still the dominant economy of the world. Other nations may be upset when we do this and it certainly has impact on "trade" but they aren't powerful enough to say "no, don't do that". Other nations have done it and they have suffered the outrageous and damaging problem of wild inflation (like 80% inflation in a year).

Our Central Banks created our own inflation (even though the media blames it on oil prices, war in Ukraine, "supply chain issues" and other excuses). But even at 10% inflation the USA remained relatively stable while the rest of the world was hurt worse.

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Visceral Adventure's avatar

Oh, interesting. So is deep depression caused by hyperinflation still likely to happen? Or is it just moving at real slow speeds?

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John Wright's avatar

Certainly that depends on who you listen to. Currently the "mainstream" channels are saying "Whew, the recession has been averted".

But if you dig deeper that seems like just a short term illusion.

The inflation doesn't "cause" the depression / recession. In theory, what kills the economy is the Central Banks raising the interest rate to "slow growth" in order to fight inflation. They just took a pause and didn't raise the rate again this month, but as I understand it inflation bottomed out (still far too high by everyone's standards) and is rising again. So the cheerful economic news at the moment may be followed over the next six months or so by: rising inflation, more interest rate hikes, slowed economy and my prediction is they will then print even more money out of thin air to make everyone happy before the election. Then boom the house of cards collapses and most people are miserable. Or perhaps the Biden administration passes even MORE tax increases and we starve to death trying to pay our taxes.

We should be in a "long cycle" decline, but the short cycles will give temporary hope, then worse news, then temporary hope, then worse news... repeat until something significant changes. The USA turns into an outright totalitarian state? War escalates? Biden is booted out of office?

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Visceral Adventure's avatar

Or another psyop hits main stream...

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